By way of introduction I will reveal that Maura Hennessey, Irish lesbian activist extraordinaire, has visited our home in the Catskills and along with a board member of HRC we shared an evening of spirited and delightful debate on feminism past and present. Her “friend of operative history” is a mutual one.
“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. It was an epoch of foolishness; it was an age of wisdom…”
In short, it was the 1970’s. A brash, angry and outspoken woman named Greer was caught up in and in fact one of the public faces of the feminist movement in the British Commonwealth. In Boston, a young graduate student was working upon expanding the ideas of her doctoral supervisor and rumoured lover. Her work on gender and feminism would be perceived as largely theoretically sound to a point, making a sudden leap to come to a conclusion nearly inconsistent with the first few chapters of her work. Her name was Janice Raymond.
“To understand what came after, it is important to know what came before.” In this case, it is important to understand the milieu in which both of these women arrived at the conclusions that are forever associated with their names.
Feminism arrived with not so much a trumpet blare as a cannon blast. Partly it was fueled by the availability of contraception, which meant that “good girls could…and did” and partly it was a reaction to the sociological experiment known as the Eisenhower years . The sexual revolution was on and with it a rapid and vertigo-inducing shift in ideas about women, women’s roles, women’s rights.
Donna Reed and June Cleaver were replaced by Angela Davis and Bernadine Dohrn(or Bernadette Devlin, if you were overseas). The stereotyped conservative, deferential housewife was exposed as a mockery of women, contrived to encourage a TV-opiated television audience to accept and to accomodate the dominance of men
Roles and stereotypes were ripped away, derided and condemned as what they were, sociological chains wrapped around women to keep them in their places serving comfortable a patriarchy deluding itself that it was exercising noblesse oblige in caring for their servant-wives and servant-daughters.
Into this age, this milieu and this sociological revolution came the higher awareness of transsexuality. The public began to hear of cases more frequently. These women now in the public eye were conventional in speech, in behaviour, in belief and in behaviour with perhaps the exception of Dr Richards. They were by and large heterosexual and socially conservative. Much as women of the fifties were shaped by the social constructs of men, the presentation of trans-women of the 1970’s was as well. Donna Reed and June Cleaver had returned, only now they emerged from the operating room. The culprit was the standards used for operative selection, permitting only women attracted to macho men, demure, feminine, attracted to frilly things. Man had become God and created woman in the image of his own fantasies and his own misogynistic desire for dominance. Man wrote the criteria for the surgery, insuring only women from the fifties languishing in the 1970’s could achieve their goal of mind-body agreement.
New women were coming into existence, it seemed, garnering public attention, and these new women were caracitures of the goals of women radicals, the antithesis of the feminist desire to shatter glass ceilings and glass walls, to end the control of men over their reproduction and thier bodies. The new women would in the end use conservative ideals, conservative life choices, and conventionalism to survive “in a man’s world.” By and large they are not to be blamed, this was the price of surgery and men had written the rules.
To women like Raymond and Greer, it seemed as if the Stepford Wives had arrived upon the scene. Worse, they seemed to have equal media access to send a decidedly anti-feminist image in nations where women were struggling for independence of men and equality to men. The anger and rage towards the men who had created post surgical Mrs. Cleavers spilled out in poisonous draughts upon their creations, whether or not they were truly ‘caricatures.’ An entire class of women was condemned in a fashion just as separatist, just as elitist and just as noxious as that of the men who Greer and Raymond were declaring their separate identity from.
Raymond and Greer condemned an entire group when their anger was at the man made social image of women carefully selected and crafted by male medical professionals. Over time, women freed themselves of the expectations of men and trans-women found medical professionals who would do likewise…
But ….the Stepford Wives, the ‘Desparate Corrected Housewives,’ these are still with us. Anti-feminist, conservative, demanding purity in their ranks, we know them by various names. Embracing a conventionality of the 1950’s, defining their group as heterosexual, frequently anti Lesbian their socialisation as women seems to be out of 1950’s and early 1960’s television; one wonders if they would appear in black and white or in colour were you to meet them.
I remark upon the socialisation because for the past 40 years women have had, unless living in a polygamous Mormon compound or a fundamentalist enclave, broader views of roles women can play, women’s sexuality and even women’s spirituality than is to be found amongst the heirs of Greer’s and Raymond’s targets. Worse, they choose, out of some desire for separatism and ‘legitamacy’ the lives, beliefs and roles of the trans-women of decades ago who had no choice but to be what their masters in the medical establishment meant them to be or they would never see the inside of an operating room.
They condemn Lesbians, they condemn radicalism, they condemn women’s spirituality which even Girl Scouts are exposed to and either overtly or covertly participate in. Though overinclusive, there remains a truth to Greer’s condemnation, though she points it in the wrong place.
There are caricatures, but in limited numbers, clinging to conventionality, defining others out of their cohort, roundly condemning women’s radicalism of spirit, spirituality, politics or sexuality. They are not amongst us, for they desire separateness of identity while claiming at the same time the title of women. While a conventionalised and more reactionary Greer points in one direction, the true anti-feminist caricature is to be found in the opposite.
August 24, 2009 at 7:51 pm
I find this post troubling for a number of reasons. If this is meant as a response to some of us who do not feel connected to the GLBT, I feel it misrepresents our position. I also feel that the tenor of the post is divide and conquer.
I am completely against the idea of Stepford wives or misogynistic standards imposed on women by men. I don’t see how my desire to live my own life is a slap in the face to anyone but those who would own my identity. I’ll do what I want, when I want and any man that thinks otherwise can stuff it. And that goes for people who want to soft-pedal the GLBT position as feminism as well.
Why this post, why now? I had at one point wanted to believe that you supported our right to self-determination Maura. But if our rights only extend as far as they serve the needs of the GLBT, I have to say I’m disappointed. The timing of this post with the emergence of a temporary rift between women with our background in the blogosphere is very, very troubling. I don’t like it at all.
August 24, 2009 at 8:03 pm
It is about conservatives, caricatures, Aria; it has absolutely nothing to do with you. My opinion of you is nothing but positive. I do support your right to self determination. But I absolutely abhor those who would impose the flawed standards of decades ago upon unique women who have a hard enough road to travel.
There has been a sort of gender police mentality developing amongst the group that I am referencing, Aria, you toe the line or you are an ‘autogynophile” or not a ‘classic transsexual.”
Well, women come with all kinds of attitudes, behaviours, beliefs, body builds, and on and on and on.
Harry Benjamin basically imposed a cookie cutter style man’s image of women upon the candidates for surgery. I don’t want to see that happen again. Because, my dear sister, someday soon you will find that they have moved the line even further to the right in their drtermination to enforce orthodoxy, and you will be on the wrong side of that line. And you, Aria, as I’ve said before, are a woman. Just woman. No modifiers.
I posted this now because there seems to have been yet abother step towards enforcing that orthodoxy, narrowing the ‘valid cohort.’ And I want to loudly object on behalf of women who run with wolves and remind them that they are valid, that they are women and that no patriarchially derived set of standards can deny them that.
August 24, 2009 at 8:09 pm
And, Aria, the LGBT movement as a whole could hardly be considered feminist. Otherwise, I wouldn’t be agitating as a Lesbian and as a woman.
I will always have your back, Aria. I hope that you will have mine
August 24, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Nobody seems to speak plainly like that. It’s *always* veiled.
i don’t know who to trust anymore.
August 24, 2009 at 10:10 pm
yeah you do.
Yourself
August 24, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Let me speak very plainly and honestly. I do support, and have done so publically, the separate status of Transsexuality as being something differing from Transgenderism.
That said, I abhor the current trend to define out of the group women who in the greater community of women would be considered “normal variants,” those with non-traditional religious beliefs, bisexuals, Lesbians, radicals, and so on.
The standards being used to define them out were developed by men with a fantasy woman in mind. They should not be applied to any woman of any history. Period.
The people defining others out seem to be attempting to create some kind of very orthodox and conventional woman. And woman, by her nature, by your nature Anon and Aria, are not conventional. We drum, we dance, we leap through life. We look to and feel a primal kinship with each other, with the moon that once goverened our physiology, with the world of nature.
August 24, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Feminism seems to me to “pulse” When Greer published the “Female Eunoch” which I read and found (pardon a pun) liberating. When I read the book it encouraged me that perhaps In future I may actually be able to have an interesting life. I thought the “burn your bra” trivialised what was and is a vital part of human social evolution.
Here in 2009 40 years post the feminist revolution it seems to me that women still earn 30% on average less than men, have exchanged “Stepford Wives” for careers with all the pressures modern commerce brings and still many of us feel the pressure of “Stepford Wives” style domesticity. To add insult to injury we get 30% less pay! Added to which we have to do it looking like stick insects! Great ladies! We’ve come a bloody long way haven’t we?
Now to add insult to injury we have a GLBT campaign crew storm cloud gathering like hurricane “Bill” trying to tell us that a woman with a dick is still a woman. All through this over the past 40 years feminist issues wax and wane in the media lurching from issue to issue pulsing in it’s intensity.
I think you may be sincere Maura in your assurances to Aria but I too am concerned about the timing of this. At a time when women like us are starting to fight back against absorption into the “borg” this article comes looking to all intents and purposes like a rallying call back to the fold. Frankly if it is; it won’t work. For many of us our patience is at an end. Personally I long for a time when I can concentrate on the issues that really matter to me and they are the same ones that matter to you. I have to say that I resent having my preference for males as my partner of choice being hurled at me as if an insult. I like men! I can’t help that.
August 25, 2009 at 6:03 am
Think of it as a call not to accept any “leaders” imposing an orthodoxy of thought, behaviour
August 24, 2009 at 9:15 pm
I have to say I am troubled by this post also.
There seems to be little place for anyone such as myself in the typology proposed in this piece.
This is certainly nothing new, I have ALWAYS been outcast–whether among LGB people, Transgender and even Transsexual people. curiously, less so among ordinary people.
I have always stood up for what I believe–I’m working towards the woman I’ve always been, but until now could never be.
This piece is SO demeaning of those I might have been had I transitioned before, I simply do not understand how this can be a call to “sisterhood.”
To demean those who have struggled all their lives to have lives derided as “caricatures” is extremely offensive to me. And this is a difficult achievement.
I’m certainly unknown to you, so my ire is equally certainly not of concern to you, anymore than those you degrade–how can you understand the struggle of these WOMEN. . . .
without whom so many of us would never be here to confront your screed.
This is not the audience to stand upon this particular soapbox–regardless of the direction you seem to believe you loose your arrows.
My life is mine; I make of it what I will.
I choose where I will be the woman I am; I choose where I will struggle.
catkisser, you have not convinced me the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
August 24, 2009 at 10:17 pm
“My life is mine; I make of it what I will.
I choose where I will be the woman I am; I choose where I will struggle.”
Oddly enough, that’s the very message that Maura is speaking to.
And what she’s noting is that those who transitioned in an earlier period were not allowed to be that way. They had to dress *properly* according to the standards of others. They had to *act right* in a way approved of.
If they didn’t, they were cast out and away, and since I’m here, let me point out that those ways they had to be were all based in the idea of how white women were supposed to be.
And she’s saying that because those women were *only allowed* to be that way (or else they didn’t get hormones or surgery), that they drew the ire of people like Raymond and Greer who were trying to take that message you stated so cleanly, that
“My life is mine; I make of it what I will.
I choose where I will be the woman I am; I choose where I will struggle.”
part, right there, when the ire should have been given to the doctors who would only allow them to be that way.
She’s saying that all women’s variety and wonder should be respected, and that in trying to do that, Germaine and Greer invalidated the lives of both those women, and those other women who are not like that.
August 24, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Jessica, I am speaking of enforced conformity. Enforced.
You making your life what you will of it is precisely what I want to defend, whether it be straight and married or a polyamouous Lesbian anarchist.
It is this tendency by some to define who is and is not transsexual based upon conformance or non conformance with an artificially defined orthodoxy that I deplore.
August 24, 2009 at 9:33 pm
If this is so, then you MUST MAKE IT CLEAR.
As a feminist–as I understand feminism–you must have an appreciation for language and its power. Words, themselves, “enforce conformity,” are themselves “an artificially defined orthodoxy.”
One of the core insights and hard won knowledge of my life is that words must be chosen–I choose. Even in giving rein to passion–even that must be tempered, must be chosen.
My life has always been a challenge to this “enforced conformity” you claim to challenge, also.
Even when I choose to conform, this is my life–as were the lives of the “Stepford Wives” you denigrate.
I am outcast precisely because I strive, in many ways, to conform. This is part of the life I HAVE CHOSEN. Just because it is not so transgressive as those whose bodies allow them NOT to be outcasts does not make mine less.
You have established you bona fides as the enemy of my enemy–this is not sufficient to establish yourself as my friend, certainly not ally.
August 24, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Stepford wives were made, Jessica, they were created that way by men, You chooce to live a conventional life, that is fine. I support and I applaud that. But were anyone to coerce you to that life, I object, loudly. That is why I used the term “Stepford wives”
Not a slam at “conventional” life but an enforced orthodoxy.
August 24, 2009 at 9:37 pm
This is all about choices, differences, out right as women to make those choices rather than having an orthodoxy imposed, our right to a heterodoxy, if you will. To be tall, short, thin fat, white collar, blue collar, straight, bi, lesbian, republican, democrat or communist and to be a woman. This is my loud objection to some voices claiming and acting as if they can deny people the “classic transsexual” and perforce woman title based upon whethr or not they followly a rigidly defined orthodoxy.
You are WOMEN! No one, not me, not another woman of comparable history, not a group can take that away from you or demand that you follow a rigid set of rules to hold onto the title that is your identity and birthright.
And the attempt to, the arrogation of the right to do so by a few is what I am objecting to. I am a feminist and you are women and I will scream to the heavens, to my saints and my Goddesses, whenever anyone tries to.
August 24, 2009 at 9:53 pm
The coercion is to be transgressive.
The coercion is to be gay.
What I am, what I choose to be, today, tomorrow, may be this, may be that, but I will choose.
The coercion is to be silent in the face, not of the straight,non-transsexual majority, it is gay and lesbian people–and it is transgender people.
The coercion is fuelled by fear and by power.
Will you speak truth to this fear and power?
August 24, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Does that sort of coercion exist? Of course it does. An LGBT that forcibly includes groups and is the principal determing power of the agenda of those groups speaks eloquently to that.
Is there similiar coercion by those in the “classic transsexual” or HBS movement to enforce an orthodoxy as well? Yes, I’ve seen evidence of that.
I deplore both.
As a Lesbian feminist, I’ve been frequently accused of fragmenting the LGBT with my demand that women’s voices be heard in an inherently misogynistic power structure. Our needs, women’s issues, are written off with cries of “Lefty Liberal Lesbians’ When you hear about LGBT healthcare funding, what do you thing of? Breast cancer or cervical cancer, our biggest killers? No, it is always HIV, is always for the men.
Lesbians are women. Childcare, healthcare, screening cancer, job pay equity and equality our our issues, not protests about robo-bathrooms or sweeps of public parks for men having sex.
There is coercion from both sides, Jessica, there is enough blame for those who set themselves up as the purity police of classical transsexuals and the G(lbt) to share.
I am not a “good” LGBT activist because I will speak truth to the gay male power, that their reckless sexual and drug abusing behaviours are an embarrassment that we pay for with political capital, that the dismissal year after year of women’s healthcare issues costs count countless lives, lives of bi, lesbian and yea, women of transsexual history.
I defy the right of gay men to speak for women, of any history.
I defy the right of a few “classical transsexuals” to impose an orthodoxy upon others, an orthodoxy derived from standards created by men long ago.
I defy anyone’s right to interfere with a woman’s choices about her life, her body, her beliefs….and I mean any woman of any history.
August 24, 2009 at 10:25 pm
I think there is a misunderstanding here. I’m not sure who you are talking about, but the statements being made by “my contingent” are not about the process of being a woman.
Simply put, we are born the way we are and we do what we can to make life livable. The only orthodoxy that we would probably cling to is that men who dress as women are not women. This may seem a fine point to an outsider, but we know each other and we know the militant transgender are not us.
It is not about the *way* we are women that makes us a women. If someone thinks that I would hope they would reexamine the basis for their assumptions. It is the fact that many who are claiming to be like us do not share the birth condition, which exists whether or not it is treated, or whether or not someone decides to be a traditional 50’s housewife.
I don’t care how people deal with their “womanhood”. I do care that process is taking precedence over fact when other people are judging me and people like me.
August 24, 2009 at 11:11 pm
I’m a bit surprised in the implication here that both “sides” are equal.
My understanding of feminism is of an analysis of power relationships.
The core of the argument you have presented here is of “enforced conformity.” Only POWER can enforce conformity.
Women, in the analysis you present–the classic feminist analysis–is that men have power in this society and they impose it, with their standards, on women.
The extension of this analysis is that men impose their power of those of us born with the condition called transsexuality–hence “Stepford Wives.”
Given this, how can you assert that “a few “classical transsexuals”. . . impose an orthodoxy upon others”?
Where does the power of “a few “classical transsexuals” come from?
Numbers?
Control of the levers of power in society?
“a few “classical transsexuals” are even more powerless than non-transsexual women.
This doesn’t work backwards–if it did, then it wouldn’t be feminism.
It would be sexism.
August 24, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Jessica..very good question.
August 25, 2009 at 1:49 am
Wow yeah that is a good point Jessica.
August 25, 2009 at 5:45 am
To be a feminist is to extoll woman and to demand her equality and her freedom to be herself, no more and no less
August 25, 2009 at 5:49 am
And there are a few classical transsexuals who seem to decide who is or is not a classical transssexual. My point is not directed at all clasical transssexuals, Aria Jessica and anon
August 25, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Wouldn’t that require some measure of power over these other individuals? There is a difference between telling people who they can be (which no one here can do) and observing reality and talking about it.
The fact is there are many people claiming to be transsexual that aren’t. In any other area, this would be ridiculous and cause for people to call BS and put a stop to it. But because it is being done to women, everything is supposed to be ok. That, to me, sounds like privilege and patriarchy being exercised at women’s expense.
August 24, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Well, coming from a background that is quite familiar with the concepts you speak of, please let me say this:
This was beautiful.
This is was true — true in a way that many will never see, never come to grasp, because, as the old the rule goes, truth is stranger than fiction in that truth doesn’t have to make sense.
That is *precisely* how I see it — a function of the institutional hegemony placed on the lives of women who *could* be made to order, and for whom the history of such endured until the late 1980’s and early 1990’s.
And, without making a jab at anyone, there are many who still cling to that old ideal, because that’s the time and the place they still dwell in, socially.
We are all products of our time. For me, I will never be able to escape the feelings of racism, sexism, and freedom that have been with me since my earliest days.
I’d love to see this spread out more, a its got greater truth than many will realize.
August 24, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Thank you Dys.
August 24, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Quite welcome. I might be guilty of rare praise, but when I give it, I mean it.
August 24, 2009 at 10:17 pm
As a woman I have major problems with the GLBT as it now stands. Due to the gay men and transgender contingent, it has a vicious misogynistic streak a mile wide. I think that is what drives “women of history” away from supporting it in droves.
I think you’d see much more support from those being accused of Stepfordism if some in the feminist movement would state in a clear voice that the GLBT has no claim on the lives of women like us or intersex people. Indeed the GLBT has no claim on anyone, yet today we have loud bullies silencing women of all backgrounds.
I saw on Bilerico how Yasmin was tarred and feathered by gay men for suggesting that other people besides well to do white males should have a voice. Further, I see a pattern of women of color being silenced in not only the GLBT, but in mainstream feminism. I have a serious issue with feminism these days as well. Racism that runs through the GLBT is plain for all to see and it is ugly. Racism in the feminist movement is a scourge. They are both nasty infections that have so far resisted all efforts to cure them.
I would consider myself more of a feminist if these things were addressed. I don’t hear anyone raising a voice for us. I don’t hear anyone in either of those groups reigning in the fanatics. The idea that some can be conscripted and bullied goes against the very notion of movement, and taints everything it does as suspect.
Until there are major changes in the way these two groups are run, I don’t think either the GLBT or feminism will gain much support from the mainstream. The ERA will languish here and important gains will slip away.
Who will be the one to start the renewal? Feminism needs to be reborn.
August 24, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Except that the GLBT does have a claim to some women’s lives — and some of those women (and men) are transsexual. And transgender. And all manner of other things as well.
So you cannot strictly say they do not have any claim to transsexuals at all — that’s the same mistake you are claiming they have made.
There is no singular way to be a woman, no set structure or ruleset by which woman is and is not.
So for your claim, your voice, to have merit, you must recognize that you do not speak for all transsexuals yourself — nor do you speak for all heterosexual transsexuals (such as I).
That there are, in fact, transsexuals who are not like you in this way, but like you in all the ways that make them transsexual.
August 24, 2009 at 10:30 pm
No. The GLBT cannot “claim” anyone’s lives. Individuals may stand up and choose to be members of the GLBT. That does not mean that the GLBT has the right to speak for all people that they deem to be in a particular category. I reject your blanket assumption.
Transsexual is born. You seem to believe transsexual is a process. I disagree and I don’t believe we’ll be able to see eye to eye on that. Further, it troubles me that you believe a few people who claim membership in a group is a valid basis for annexing the whole group. I don’t buy the argument, and I think that if you found yourself roped into some random group you’d see my point.
August 24, 2009 at 10:32 pm
What GLBT, aria? In practical terms there is a “G” with an (lbt) as an afterthought.
And those that I am accusing of “Stepfordism” are unlikely to hear anything that I have to say. They are far to busy salving their self-doubt by pushing others out of their circle as “impure”
In my home country, I am an outcast and a stranger. Not only because I am a Lesbian, but because I was a Magdalen. A man, a priest, signed a paper and I was imprisoned in what was essentially a 19th century workhouse. I was lucky, I got out. I will never submit to a man defining my life or my beliefs.
Racism in all movements is a scourge. It works hand in hand with enforced orthodoxy, for the orthodox never seems to have a dark face, does it?
August 24, 2009 at 10:31 pm
*sigh*
Again it returns to the who says who is what argument.
I’ve said my last piece there already, and it seems people prefer to cling to their illusions.
August 24, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Aria;
What you said about the orthodoxy is not entirely accurate. There ae those who define out those who yeild to the impulse to transition later, those who identify as lesbian or bisexual, practitioners of non-mainstream religions and a host of other “transgressions”
August 24, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Suddenly occurred to me that the reference to stepford wives may have thrown things off.
I suspect that relatively few here have read the book (let alone seen the ‘75 film) and may have as their point of reference the remake of a few years ago or the subtextual understanding of the phrase as used without actual personal reference.
Then again, it could be a defensive response to perceptual attacks.
August 24, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Once i stated to someone over email that i feel like there is a war for my soul taking place.
In the process of simply trying to understand and survive, i’m forced to defend my sense of self.
This.
“I am not a “good” LGBT activist because I will speak truth to the gay male power, that their reckless sexual and drug abusing behaviours are an embarrassment that we pay for with political capital, that the dismissal year after year of women’s healthcare issues costs count countless lives, lives of bi, lesbian and yea, women of transsexual history.”
“I defy the right of gay men to speak for women, of any history.”
“I defy the right of a few “classical transsexuals” to impose an orthodoxy upon others, an orthodoxy derived from standards created by men long ago.”
“I defy anyone’s right to interfere with a woman’s choices about her life, her body, her beliefs….and I mean any woman of any history.”
i’ve only been vaguely aware of you until now, and i’m sure the reverse is even less so. But you now officially have my interest from this point forward.
i’m listening.
August 24, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Although in this company I’m not particularly approved of, I will say that you could do far worse than listening to Maura, with whom I’ve had my fair share of fights
Maura doesn’t really speak to transsexual issues so much as she speaks to women’s issues, and she doesn’t make rules about who is and who isn’t a woman.
August 24, 2009 at 11:52 pm
Perhaps one should read Maura simply for what she does say rather than trying to find some sub-text that denies a pet ideology.
It seems to me that the essay is a worthy one, one that should be heeded by women. I found it calls for an end to division. It is not a denigration of anyone, rather a plea to stop denigrating others who are so like one that it’s difficult to tell that one’s breathing is different in kind at all from the others breathing.
Thanks so Cathryn for allowing the writing to appear here. Thanks to Maura for the writing.
August 25, 2009 at 9:00 am
What a strange reply.
A couple of concerns have been raised and addressed, leading to the first good conversation i’ve seen on this topic.
Please don’t walk in here and cry ideology postering where none exists. It might wreck the healthy discussion that so rarely takes place.
August 25, 2009 at 10:55 pm
That’s the whole point of statements like that.
August 25, 2009 at 6:45 am
I’m almost always up for a good dialogue–I am direct and I appreciate direct response; I address ideas and the arguments they build into. And I appreciate both Cathyrn and Maura for allowing all of us to have one.
But I simply cannot let
“To be a feminist is to extoll woman and to demand her equality and her freedom to be herself, no more and no less”
stand without comment.
I have heard all sorts of this “simple statement” of feminism in all sorts of places–which have simply been a way to exclude me, and women like me, from feminism.
I’m not saying you are doing this, Maura, but I’ve felt the sting of this idea often.
Many of the feminists I respect and admire, all of them teachers–I consider them teachers–have a somewhat more sophisticated view of feminism, though certainly evolved from this “simple statement” that you make.
How can one DO feminism if one rips away the details?
How can one bring feminism into all aspects of one’s life if there is nothing more than this “simple statement”?
If this is all there is, where does this leave the feminist social workers, in particular–this is where I see myself–but also the doctors, the psychologists, and all the rest?
All those who see themselves working to empower women, all women, against the power that oppresses, well, us?
There must be an understanding of power relationships.
There must be an understanding of the situation of women, all women, within society.
There must be an understanding about how the society works.
All these understandings and more inform feminists in their work with and for women.
Am I something of an intellectual, of course!
Of the feminists I admire–and seek to emulate–many are intellectuals, too.
Many who claim this empowering role simply declare that being a woman makes them a feminist–that there are no ’schools,’ that Mary Daly and Janis Raymond, for example, simply do not exist.
And that any ideas and argument simply do not mean anything more than THEIR “simple statement.”
If this “simple statement” is just another way of enforcing conformity, I have a great difficulty with it.
If it is just the way you see the foundation of your belief and work, not some levelling judgement, but a door opening, then I agree.
August 25, 2009 at 7:37 am
Hi Jessica,
Sometimes it is the simplest of ideas that are the hardest to grasp because they require a complete change in viewpoint.
All the “power” dynamics discussions are a trap, one that encourages vertical thinking instead of horizontal….hierarchies as opposed to cooperative and embracing sisterhood.
I will be writing to this today, I think Maura is planning to do so as well.
August 27, 2009 at 11:06 am
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